The "F" word - Page 2

Cinderellen · February 5th, 2004, 02:39 PM

Minty, I'm not thrilled with it either. I thought it was a good concept for a "reality" show, but they way they've played it off, it's become something much less than what it could have been. But maybe taking the high road wouldn't have gotten them the ratings they were after? Either way it's not as good as I thought it was going to be.

Atman · February 5th, 2004, 10:15 PM

Cinderellen, have you seen the cover of the latest T.V. Guide?! I thought of you *instantly* and almost had a coniption fit right there in Walgreens.

Cinderellen · February 5th, 2004, 10:19 PM

I have seen it Atman. Sad huh?

TaintedEyes · February 6th, 2004, 08:41 AM

i didn't see it

MintyFemme2 · February 6th, 2004, 12:41 PM

I tried watching it last night.. but I fell asleep. The few minutes I did see I wasn't to thrilled LOL. I'll try next week to watch it but not in bed LOL.

amc929 · February 9th, 2004, 06:33 PM

i can't stand to watch the 'reality shows'. it's bad enough that i'm always talking to the tv..i could see myself really getting worked up over those kinds of shows...lol!!!

February 20th, 2004, 06:12 PM

Feminism is the belief that women and men are equal. No more no less. Anyone who believes this basic principle is a Feminist - however they feel that this should manifest itself in the real world.
If a man (or woman) is hostile to feminism, they are openly declaring that they believe that women are and should be inferior to men (or the other way around). I know that the word is misunderstood but that frankly is no excuse.
It is a simple belief and you either agree with it or not. Those that don't are very messed up people and probably shouldn't be encouraged to breed.
Next time a man gives you grief over feminism, ask him if he believes that women are equals to men. If he says yes, take great pleasure in informing him that he is in fact a feminist himself! If he says no, why on earth would you waste your time, energy and breath on talking to such a cretin?

Cod · February 20th, 2004, 06:35 PM

Simple and true!

brede · February 27th, 2004, 05:43 PM

Great definition of feminism. Back in the late 60's and early 70's, I was one of those politically active, feminist hippies. I was attending college at the state capitol and participated in many sit in's and some rowdy demonstrations. Ahhh, the good old days! LOL!

With gay marriage being a front page issue now, it has reminded me of the legal marginalising of woman. Supposedly, this country(US) was founded on the rule of law with certain unalienable rights. But, women are still not recognized as equals under the law. The Equal Rights Amendment was never ratified by enough states to be added to the constitution. I've been being obnoxious lately by sending my elected "representatives" some tersely worded emails.

Gay rights, women's rights are civil (legal)rights that are supposed to be guarantteed (sp?) through the constitution. Churches/religions have the right to choose whether to marry same sex couples. But, the government does not. A marriage license is a legal document. Simple and easy. Women are equal, simple and easy.

How do things get so muddled up and what are governments afraid of?

MintyFemme2 · February 28th, 2004, 01:17 PM

Brede do you rally want my opinion what goverment is afraid of????
I agree with you on the issue of Same Sexed partners and marriage is a Civil Rights issue.
I am so divided on the how I feel bout people bringing God into the marriage debate. Where were these God fearing people when one man wanted to take God out The Pledge of Alligence? Where were they when several people took prayer out of public schools?? I don't see how religion and goverments should be seperate for some issues and NOT seperate when it comes to denying people the right to be happy!
Ok I am off my soap box.. and yes I am writing several members of Congress about it. I might just get out my telephone book and get the numbers to local Goverment officials and voice my opinion. I doubt Govennor Arnold would like to hear my opinion LOL.

brede · February 28th, 2004, 07:16 PM

I doubt the Governator would like that either. I'm in Florida where I have to take a double dose of the Bush Empire. (Bush Ceasar's younger brother is our Governor)

As far as I am concerned, Christians who want to protest gay marriage should revoke their government-contract marriage-license. If that want to be totally scriptural about it, the ten commandments are in the old testament/covenant with God. The new testament that makes them Christians clearly states to "give unto ceasar what is ceasars." The new testament only has 2 commandments 1) love god with all your heart, soul and spirit and 2)love your neighbor as you love yourself. I don't see any of these protesting Christians following anything in the new testament. Or giving up what is Ceasar's.

Did you know that the legal marrige-contract with the govt. provides over 1000 legal protections to married people? And a religious rite provides none of it. So, until those protesters are willing to end their legal protections by divorcing under civil law saying that a higher authority views them as married, I aint't interested in talking to them!

I hope I didn't garble everything I was trying to express, but I can do that sometimes.

I am so glad to find someone that thinks the way I do!

As an aside: How do I create my signature? Or is "brede" my signature? Don't mind me, I'm just a computer dummy!

brede · February 28th, 2004, 07:29 PM

PS to everyone: I'm not disparaging Christians or their views. I started as a pew warmer, became a pentacostal born again Christian, and then became a Zen-Buddhist-Pagan-Christian. I have equal respect for everyone who conscientously practices their personal belief system or their lack of one. As long as they are not imposing their belief system on someone else.

moniker · February 14th, 2011, 07:53 PM

I'm the same as Atman, believing there are many kinds of feminism so calling myself a "Feminist" never suited me. I consider myself a "Humanist." As someone who spent a lot of time with men, make no mistake that they, too, are pulled down and bullied by society. They are bombarded with pictures of perfection, they have a higher suicide rate, and make no mistake: men are also sexually/emotionally abused. I don't believe in abuse or feeling as if you're no good just because society says it's okay...no matter if you're male or female.

sunglatisha · September 19th, 2011, 05:09 PM

I believe in gender equality type of feminism than the version of women thinking men are evil type of feminism. I grew up with a single mom with a feminist view and lived through that since. My marriage is an equal partnership where we both share responsibilities such as cleaning, cooking, etc. Growing up with my mother alone, I learned to do some heavy duty stuff like lifting heavy objects, fixing things, etc. At first I thought it was stupid, but in the long run it helps. When a strange guy sees me doing some heavy duty stuff and the type that was raised to helping women first, at first it makes me uncomfortable and I'm acting all tough, then I realized, hey that's polite and give in. In my young generation in my 20s, the guys saying that girls can't do guy things or the other way around seem to have deminised more, but I know some of that tension is still there. Sexism is still there, but not as bad as the when the first women's sufferage happened. That was my favorite topic in American history.

Wolf_angel · September 20th, 2011, 07:59 AM

So true Moniker and sunglatisha! So we do what we can when we can or have too. Balance is part of life. To walk in a balance we must not forget the men. They are only human too. So as well the religion of others tis their path and their choice. If I learn something I use it for myself. Yet never mock anyone's path, insight or decision.
Have a great day!

February 5th, 2004, 02:39 PM	#16
Cinderellen Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 498	Minty, I'm not thrilled with it either. I thought it was a good concept for a "reality" show, but they way they've played it off, it's become something much less than what it could have been. But maybe taking the high road wouldn't have gotten them the ratings they were after? Either way it's not as good as I thought it was going to be. __________________ Where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

February 5th, 2004, 10:19 PM	#18
Cinderellen Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 498	I have seen it Atman. Sad huh? __________________ Where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

February 6th, 2004, 08:41 AM	#19
TaintedEyes Registered User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: New Jersey Posts: 137	i didn't see it __________________ I hope you still feel small when you stand beside the ocean. When ever one door closes I hope one more opens.

February 6th, 2004, 12:41 PM	#20
MintyFemme2 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: CA Posts: 571	I tried watching it last night.. but I fell asleep. The few minutes I did see I wasn't to thrilled LOL. I'll try next week to watch it but not in bed LOL. __________________ " Life is what you make of it"

February 27th, 2004, 05:43 PM	#24
brede my new motorcycle Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 574	Great definition of feminism. Back in the late 60's and early 70's, I was one of those politically active, feminist hippies. I was attending college at the state capitol and participated in many sit in's and some rowdy demonstrations. Ahhh, the good old days! LOL! With gay marriage being a front page issue now, it has reminded me of the legal marginalising of woman. Supposedly, this country(US) was founded on the rule of law with certain unalienable rights. But, women are still not recognized as equals under the law. The Equal Rights Amendment was never ratified by enough states to be added to the constitution. I've been being obnoxious lately by sending my elected "representatives" some tersely worded emails. Gay rights, women's rights are civil (legal)rights that are supposed to be guarantteed (sp?) through the constitution. Churches/religions have the right to choose whether to marry same sex couples. But, the government does not. A marriage license is a legal document. Simple and easy. Women are equal, simple and easy. How do things get so muddled up and what are governments afraid of? __________________ I wanted to be a pirate, but I couldn't grow a beard and rum makes me giggle.

February 5th, 2004, 10:15 PM	#17
Atman Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 8	Cinderellen, have you seen the cover of the latest T.V. Guide?! I thought of you instantly and almost had a coniption fit right there in Walgreens.

February 9th, 2004, 06:33 PM	#21
amc929 Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 24	i can't stand to watch the 'reality shows'. it's bad enough that i'm always talking to the tv..i could see myself really getting worked up over those kinds of shows...lol!!!

February 20th, 2004, 06:12 PM	#22
Sin?adM Guest Posts: n/a	Feminism is the belief that women and men are equal. No more no less. Anyone who believes this basic principle is a Feminist - however they feel that this should manifest itself in the real world. If a man (or woman) is hostile to feminism, they are openly declaring that they believe that women are and should be inferior to men (or the other way around). I know that the word is misunderstood but that frankly is no excuse. It is a simple belief and you either agree with it or not. Those that don't are very messed up people and probably shouldn't be encouraged to breed. Next time a man gives you grief over feminism, ask him if he believes that women are equals to men. If he says yes, take great pleasure in informing him that he is in fact a feminist himself! If he says no, why on earth would you waste your time, energy and breath on talking to such a cretin?

February 20th, 2004, 06:35 PM	#23
Cod Hooked on The OC! Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 1,252	Simple and true!

February 28th, 2004, 01:17 PM	#25
MintyFemme2 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: CA Posts: 571	Brede do you rally want my opinion what goverment is afraid of???? I agree with you on the issue of Same Sexed partners and marriage is a Civil Rights issue. I am so divided on the how I feel bout people bringing God into the marriage debate. Where were these God fearing people when one man wanted to take God out The Pledge of Alligence? Where were they when several people took prayer out of public schools?? I don't see how religion and goverments should be seperate for some issues and NOT seperate when it comes to denying people the right to be happy! Ok I am off my soap box.. and yes I am writing several members of Congress about it. I might just get out my telephone book and get the numbers to local Goverment officials and voice my opinion. I doubt Govennor Arnold would like to hear my opinion LOL. __________________ " Life is what you make of it"

February 28th, 2004, 07:16 PM	#26
brede my new motorcycle Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 574	I doubt the Governator would like that either. I'm in Florida where I have to take a double dose of the Bush Empire. (Bush Ceasar's younger brother is our Governor) As far as I am concerned, Christians who want to protest gay marriage should revoke their government-contract marriage-license. If that want to be totally scriptural about it, the ten commandments are in the old testament/covenant with God. The new testament that makes them Christians clearly states to "give unto ceasar what is ceasars." The new testament only has 2 commandments 1) love god with all your heart, soul and spirit and 2)love your neighbor as you love yourself. I don't see any of these protesting Christians following anything in the new testament. Or giving up what is Ceasar's. Did you know that the legal marrige-contract with the govt. provides over 1000 legal protections to married people? And a religious rite provides none of it. So, until those protesters are willing to end their legal protections by divorcing under civil law saying that a higher authority views them as married, I aint't interested in talking to them! I hope I didn't garble everything I was trying to express, but I can do that sometimes. I am so glad to find someone that thinks the way I do! As an aside: How do I create my signature? Or is "brede" my signature? Don't mind me, I'm just a computer dummy!

February 28th, 2004, 07:29 PM	#27
brede my new motorcycle Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 574	PS to everyone: I'm not disparaging Christians or their views. I started as a pew warmer, became a pentacostal born again Christian, and then became a Zen-Buddhist-Pagan-Christian. I have equal respect for everyone who conscientously practices their personal belief system or their lack of one. As long as they are not imposing their belief system on someone else. __________________ I wanted to be a pirate, but I couldn't grow a beard and rum makes me giggle.

February 14th, 2011, 07:53 PM	#28
moniker Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 44	I'm the same as Atman, believing there are many kinds of feminism so calling myself a "Feminist" never suited me. I consider myself a "Humanist." As someone who spent a lot of time with men, make no mistake that they, too, are pulled down and bullied by society. They are bombarded with pictures of perfection, they have a higher suicide rate, and make no mistake: men are also sexually/emotionally abused. I don't believe in abuse or feeling as if you're no good just because society says it's okay...no matter if you're male or female.

September 19th, 2011, 05:09 PM	#29
sunglatisha Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 6	I believe in gender equality type of feminism than the version of women thinking men are evil type of feminism. I grew up with a single mom with a feminist view and lived through that since. My marriage is an equal partnership where we both share responsibilities such as cleaning, cooking, etc. Growing up with my mother alone, I learned to do some heavy duty stuff like lifting heavy objects, fixing things, etc. At first I thought it was stupid, but in the long run it helps. When a strange guy sees me doing some heavy duty stuff and the type that was raised to helping women first, at first it makes me uncomfortable and I'm acting all tough, then I realized, hey that's polite and give in. In my young generation in my 20s, the guys saying that girls can't do guy things or the other way around seem to have deminised more, but I know some of that tension is still there. Sexism is still there, but not as bad as the when the first women's sufferage happened. That was my favorite topic in American history.

September 20th, 2011, 07:59 AM	#30
Wolf_angel A survivor of chaos Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Where my heart is Posts: 3,147	So true Moniker and sunglatisha! So we do what we can when we can or have too. Balance is part of life. To walk in a balance we must not forget the men. They are only human too. So as well the religion of others tis their path and their choice. If I learn something I use it for myself. Yet never mock anyone's path, insight or decision. Have a great day! __________________ May you walk in the shadow of the Great Spirit~To help others is a special gift we can either give or take~The more you give the more you receive~