Do you believe in God ? - Page 2

Anneli · November 14th, 2011, 05:53 PM

God doesn´t tell in the Bible, that everybody is His child. On the contrary He tells that others are His children and others are devil´s children (1 John 3:10).

Every human being is created by God, and God would like them to become His children. That is why He gives that opportunity to individuals few times in their lives (John 1:12). It is up to each person then to accept that call or to continue his/her life without accepting it. God doesn´t force anybody. It is totally each person´s voluntary decision, what he/she decides, when God calls. And she/he then bears the consequences of that decision already in this life but most importantly after death, either punishment in hell or reward in heaven, as is stated in the Old and New Testament and what Jesus himself often said (Dan 12:2, Mat 25:46).

Wolf_angel · November 15th, 2011, 09:48 PM

Yes and? God also gave us Free Will. The choice of what we do is ours. The decision is ours. Thus we reap what we sow.

Anneli · November 17th, 2011, 09:10 AM

Yes exactly so Wolf_angel!

Wolf_angel · November 17th, 2011, 09:33 AM

Yet we love the people not the SIN! Hence that is something that would be universal and make this world a better place.

Anneli · November 17th, 2011, 01:27 PM

Sure, God hates sin (Rom 1:18), and all people are sinners. So we would have no hope to avoid hell and get to spend our eternity in heaven without the sacrifice of Jesus Christ on our behalf (John 3:16).

But as long as a person is living as a God´s creation on earth, he has the possibility that God calls him and he can accept the sacrifice Jesus made on his behalf, ask his sins to be forgiven and follow Jesus the rest of his life and to heaven.

Of course there will be a time before the final judgment, when Jesus Christ comes to earth (after even worse times than ours, when antichrist deceives the people with his promises of peace and rules the world under the will of satan) and rules here for 1000 years as a king in Jerusalem (Zech 14:4,9). In that time this earth is quite a lovely place as the Bible tells us. Antichrist and his helpers are destroyed and Satan is bonded under the earth with his demons and can not tempt or harm people (Rev 20:2-3). Nobody dies before he is 100 years old and all the creations are in peace with each other: wolfs, lambs, lions eat straw together (Isa 65:25). People live blessed in every way (Isa 65:21-24). Some people still do some sin, but not earlier than the age of 100 (Isa 65:20-20). And nobody then says to the other person, that it is ok or just fine to sin, and nobody admires the sinner (Isa 32:5).

That time comes to an end, when God lets satan out and he deceives part of the nations to attack against Jesus (Rev 20:1-3, 7-8). But God destroys them and throws them to hell (Rev 20:10). And after that shall all the dead sinners of all ages to be judged and cast to hell (Rev 20:11-15).

Wolf_angel · November 18th, 2011, 07:55 AM

Oh and if you confess your sin and ask to be forgiven in Jesus Christ name tis done. ALthough I know many "Christians" Who do sin again and again. Yet they are "sorry" yet do the sin again. Yet tis not my place to judge. Only question then how can they teach Christianity while doing this is mindboggling to me. I walk the path of the red road. Which means I do my honest best to do better to live in peace harmony and balance. Yet I am not perfect. I stumble fall and land on my face many times before the day is done. So does that mean I am not good enough anymore? No it just means I need to work on me with the Creators help. SO I am a work in progress person. I hope to make a 1,000,000 more mistakes before the day is done. Yet ask for grace, wisdom and patience to do better. Thus I am human. Bless those when I can and when I cant due to anger and etc I ask the Creator to do so for me for I am only human.

Anneli · November 18th, 2011, 05:02 PM

The question is: has there been a new beginning, a new birth.

If the person tries to do his very best (prays, goes to church, tries not to hurt anybody, helps everybody, gives all his money to the needy) and even ask for forgiveness of his sins from time to time, that does not make him a new creation. He may be forgiven of some of his sins, but he is still just body, soul and dead spirit.

But when a person has been born again, he then is a new creation (2 Cr 5:17). He is body, soul and living spirit. And even the third person of God (Father, Son and Holy Spirit/Ghost) the Holy Spirit has settled to live in his spirit. He is a new creation, and his body is the temple of the Holy Spirit (1 Cr 6:19).

Born-again Christian´s sins are somewhat temporary. And as soon they realize they sinned, they ask forgiveness from God in Jesus Christ´s name and repent themselves. So the sins do not change their new creation.

But if a born again Christian goes on sinning for a long time or refuses to repent, the Bible warns that it will make the Holy Ghost sad and uneasy, and finally He will leave the person (Eph 4:30). They are called backsliders. Some backsliders are open about that, and say they were born again Christians earlier, but no more. But many of them try to think that they still are on their way to heaven, and they can give very harmful and wrong advice to people how to follow Christ or to live as Christian. They pull people away from Christ even when they use biblical words as they no more understand themselves the ways of God.

Jennifer23 · November 18th, 2011, 09:53 PM

I'm a Godian. As a Godian, I don't refer to God as He. God created both male and female, and is above both. I believe that God would just like us to treat others nicely every day.

Wolf_angel · November 20th, 2011, 01:47 PM

As far as I am concerned each person has their own path. To see it grow as according to their religion. I am not going to judge another for tis not my place. We each have to do what is best for ourselves yet may not be good for another. Thus we live the best way we can.

tawny · November 30th, 2011, 08:50 PM

I wish I believed, but if I am honest, I don't.

Jennifer23 · November 30th, 2011, 10:45 PM

Tawny, that's OK with me. Nobody really knows.

Wolf_angel · December 1st, 2011, 02:03 PM

The point is tis your path and faith on whatever you have it based on. Whether or not you believe in GOD is your choice. For that is what God gave man and woman. Hope this helps as it was meant too not meant to offend. Hugs

Jennifer23 · December 1st, 2011, 08:11 PM

Tawny, I believe in God, but if you're agnostic, that's probably the most logical choice. I have a problem with atheists because they don't believe that there is another possibility.

Aiden11 · March 8th, 2012, 03:54 AM

I do believe in the existence of God and i also believe on this that every thing is pre-written.You can not deny the existence of God because if you deny God then you deny your self.

Wolf_angel · March 9th, 2012, 06:48 AM

To each their own. God gave us a choice. What we choose is our own reasons and etc. No one shall judge another for they arent God. Judge ye not, lest ye be judged.

November 15th, 2011, 09:48 PM	#17
Wolf_angel A survivor of chaos Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Where my heart is Posts: 3,147	Yes and? God also gave us Free Will. The choice of what we do is ours. The decision is ours. Thus we reap what we sow. __________________ May you walk in the shadow of the Great Spirit~To help others is a special gift we can either give or take~The more you give the more you receive~

November 17th, 2011, 09:33 AM	#19
Wolf_angel A survivor of chaos Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Where my heart is Posts: 3,147	Yet we love the people not the SIN! Hence that is something that would be universal and make this world a better place. __________________ May you walk in the shadow of the Great Spirit~To help others is a special gift we can either give or take~The more you give the more you receive~

November 18th, 2011, 07:55 AM	#21
Wolf_angel A survivor of chaos Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Where my heart is Posts: 3,147	Oh and if you confess your sin and ask to be forgiven in Jesus Christ name tis done. ALthough I know many "Christians" Who do sin again and again. Yet they are "sorry" yet do the sin again. Yet tis not my place to judge. Only question then how can they teach Christianity while doing this is mindboggling to me. I walk the path of the red road. Which means I do my honest best to do better to live in peace harmony and balance. Yet I am not perfect. I stumble fall and land on my face many times before the day is done. So does that mean I am not good enough anymore? No it just means I need to work on me with the Creators help. SO I am a work in progress person. I hope to make a 1,000,000 more mistakes before the day is done. Yet ask for grace, wisdom and patience to do better. Thus I am human. Bless those when I can and when I cant due to anger and etc I ask the Creator to do so for me for I am only human. __________________ May you walk in the shadow of the Great Spirit~To help others is a special gift we can either give or take~The more you give the more you receive~

November 20th, 2011, 01:47 PM	#24
Wolf_angel A survivor of chaos Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Where my heart is Posts: 3,147	As far as I am concerned each person has their own path. To see it grow as according to their religion. I am not going to judge another for tis not my place. We each have to do what is best for ourselves yet may not be good for another. Thus we live the best way we can. __________________ May you walk in the shadow of the Great Spirit~To help others is a special gift we can either give or take~The more you give the more you receive~

December 1st, 2011, 02:03 PM	#27
Wolf_angel A survivor of chaos Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Where my heart is Posts: 3,147	The point is tis your path and faith on whatever you have it based on. Whether or not you believe in GOD is your choice. For that is what God gave man and woman. Hope this helps as it was meant too not meant to offend. Hugs __________________ May you walk in the shadow of the Great Spirit~To help others is a special gift we can either give or take~The more you give the more you receive~

November 14th, 2011, 05:53 PM	#16
Anneli Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Europe Posts: 10	God doesn´t tell in the Bible, that everybody is His child. On the contrary He tells that others are His children and others are devil´s children (1 John 3:10). Every human being is created by God, and God would like them to become His children. That is why He gives that opportunity to individuals few times in their lives (John 1:12). It is up to each person then to accept that call or to continue his/her life without accepting it. God doesn´t force anybody. It is totally each person´s voluntary decision, what he/she decides, when God calls. And she/he then bears the consequences of that decision already in this life but most importantly after death, either punishment in hell or reward in heaven, as is stated in the Old and New Testament and what Jesus himself often said (Dan 12:2, Mat 25:46).

November 17th, 2011, 09:10 AM	#18
Anneli Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Europe Posts: 10	Yes exactly so Wolf_angel!

November 17th, 2011, 01:27 PM	#20
Anneli Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Europe Posts: 10	Sure, God hates sin (Rom 1:18), and all people are sinners. So we would have no hope to avoid hell and get to spend our eternity in heaven without the sacrifice of Jesus Christ on our behalf (John 3:16). But as long as a person is living as a God´s creation on earth, he has the possibility that God calls him and he can accept the sacrifice Jesus made on his behalf, ask his sins to be forgiven and follow Jesus the rest of his life and to heaven. Of course there will be a time before the final judgment, when Jesus Christ comes to earth (after even worse times than ours, when antichrist deceives the people with his promises of peace and rules the world under the will of satan) and rules here for 1000 years as a king in Jerusalem (Zech 14:4,9). In that time this earth is quite a lovely place as the Bible tells us. Antichrist and his helpers are destroyed and Satan is bonded under the earth with his demons and can not tempt or harm people (Rev 20:2-3). Nobody dies before he is 100 years old and all the creations are in peace with each other: wolfs, lambs, lions eat straw together (Isa 65:25). People live blessed in every way (Isa 65:21-24). Some people still do some sin, but not earlier than the age of 100 (Isa 65:20-20). And nobody then says to the other person, that it is ok or just fine to sin, and nobody admires the sinner (Isa 32:5). That time comes to an end, when God lets satan out and he deceives part of the nations to attack against Jesus (Rev 20:1-3, 7-8). But God destroys them and throws them to hell (Rev 20:10). And after that shall all the dead sinners of all ages to be judged and cast to hell (Rev 20:11-15).

November 18th, 2011, 05:02 PM	#22
Anneli Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Europe Posts: 10	The question is: has there been a new beginning, a new birth. If the person tries to do his very best (prays, goes to church, tries not to hurt anybody, helps everybody, gives all his money to the needy) and even ask for forgiveness of his sins from time to time, that does not make him a new creation. He may be forgiven of some of his sins, but he is still just body, soul and dead spirit. But when a person has been born again, he then is a new creation (2 Cr 5:17). He is body, soul and living spirit. And even the third person of God (Father, Son and Holy Spirit/Ghost) the Holy Spirit has settled to live in his spirit. He is a new creation, and his body is the temple of the Holy Spirit (1 Cr 6:19). Born-again Christian´s sins are somewhat temporary. And as soon they realize they sinned, they ask forgiveness from God in Jesus Christ´s name and repent themselves. So the sins do not change their new creation. But if a born again Christian goes on sinning for a long time or refuses to repent, the Bible warns that it will make the Holy Ghost sad and uneasy, and finally He will leave the person (Eph 4:30). They are called backsliders. Some backsliders are open about that, and say they were born again Christians earlier, but no more. But many of them try to think that they still are on their way to heaven, and they can give very harmful and wrong advice to people how to follow Christ or to live as Christian. They pull people away from Christ even when they use biblical words as they no more understand themselves the ways of God.

November 18th, 2011, 09:53 PM	#23
Jennifer23 Jennifer23 Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 3,187	I'm a Godian. As a Godian, I don't refer to God as He. God created both male and female, and is above both. I believe that God would just like us to treat others nicely every day.

November 30th, 2011, 08:50 PM	#25
tawny Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 3	I wish I believed, but if I am honest, I don't.

November 30th, 2011, 10:45 PM	#26
Jennifer23 Jennifer23 Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 3,187	Tawny, that's OK with me. Nobody really knows.

December 1st, 2011, 08:11 PM	#28
Jennifer23 Jennifer23 Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 3,187	Tawny, I believe in God, but if you're agnostic, that's probably the most logical choice. I have a problem with atheists because they don't believe that there is another possibility.

March 8th, 2012, 03:54 AM	#29
Aiden11 Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 23	I do believe in the existence of God and i also believe on this that every thing is pre-written.You can not deny the existence of God because if you deny God then you deny your self.

March 9th, 2012, 06:48 AM	#30
Wolf_angel A survivor of chaos Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Where my heart is Posts: 3,147	To each their own. God gave us a choice. What we choose is our own reasons and etc. No one shall judge another for they arent God. Judge ye not, lest ye be judged. __________________ May you walk in the shadow of the Great Spirit~To help others is a special gift we can either give or take~The more you give the more you receive~