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LiamFan! · March 4th, 2003, 10:17 PM

That's what lawyers are for.

The argument that seeing an elephant (or a giraffe or a penguin or....) in a zoo or a circus is a person's only opportunity to see that animal is a common one when defending the actions of zoos and circuses.

How much does it enrich ones life to see an elephant? These animals are taken out of their environment and brought to a city to live in a pen, or to perform, to entertain humans. Why?

I don't buy it. There are so many other ways to learn about the world around us....it doesn't have to be up close and personal, with an animal on display, prodded with a bullhook.

Circuses have a bad reputation all around. The Shriners may have a less bad reputation because they don't own their own animals...they 'rent' them from other circuses, thus escaping federal regulation.

There's a lot of things I've never seen in my life....my life is no less rich not having seen them.

Cod · March 5th, 2003, 11:14 AM

Circuses kind of freak me, much like a Stephen King novel!

LiamFan! · March 5th, 2003, 12:15 PM

Except Cirque du Soleil, which very consciously uses only human performers.

Cod · March 5th, 2003, 08:24 PM

Oh YEAH! Now that one mesmerizes! Not FREAKY!

Well there was that one big dude with the shaved head....remember? Okay a little freaky, I guess.

BUT NOT LIKE THE CROCODILE MAN!

LiamFan! · March 5th, 2003, 08:26 PM

Freaky, but memorable!

Cod · March 5th, 2003, 08:28 PM

Lest I sound uncaring, animal cruelty is HIGH on my list of concerns, be it labs or circuses, or people who neglect their pets. Those types all should be TIED TO STAKES AND BEATEN WITH STICKS!

Cod · March 5th, 2003, 08:29 PM

Scribe, extremely memorable.

Melynn · March 5th, 2003, 10:42 PM

Has anyone been watching that mini-series program thing about Cirque du Soleil? I think it's on Bravo. The show about how they put together Cirque du Soleil is almost as interesting as the show itself. What an incredible group of performers. Talk about hard work.

Cod · March 6th, 2003, 12:02 AM

No I have not seen that program Melynn, but I'll look for it. Have you seen Cirque du Soleil in person?? Oh man....loved it.

Melynn · March 6th, 2003, 02:12 AM

I DID see it a couple of years ago. It was phenomenal. I loved it. I'm also ashamed to admit that they were just here for the past six weeks with their new show and I never got there. I'm such a slug sometimes.

Angel_Wolf · March 6th, 2003, 03:55 PM

Well I wanted to get in touch with all of the wonderful women aka Ladies butches and buddies. I miss ya'll and wanted to let you all know that I think you're pretty special to me! I hope I can chat with ya'll in the chat room sometime. Have a great day!

WillowWOW · March 6th, 2003, 04:40 PM

Hi is this where the Party is? Cause I can't wait til Friday! LOL I get to host for ShaggyWOW! So I hope to see all of you there! Party time at the Pizza Palace!
Have a great day!

topsinapod · March 8th, 2003, 07:22 AM

I hadn't heard of Cirque du Soleil before but I did find some information about it. It sounds like an awesome show. Also, I don't disagree that the argument I used about children not getting to see elephants otherwise is a tired one. That was the first thing that came to mind.

When I brought up that potential law concerning elephants it made me think closer the things I have always believed but never researched. So I've been looking closer. As I've stated before, abuse of any animal is unacceptable. Apparently my eyes needed to be opened. Although I always knew there was some abuse, as there always seems to be with anything, I had no idea just how wide spread the problem was.

Poachers and the continuation of some countries to harvest and sell ivory plus encroaching civilization are some of the biggest problems facing the elephant population besides abuse. As with many wild creatures, we are pushing them out.

But we do have elephants here and that makes the problem bigger than just simply banning them from a single state. What do we do to keep them safe now? These elephants cannot simply be let go into the wild. That would mean sure death for ones that were captured as babies. They need to be cared for and habitats created that would be acceptable to them. I believe that some zoo's would/could be capable of doing that. Not all zoo's are bad and they do provide a service.

MintyFemme2 · March 8th, 2003, 03:36 PM

*pokes her head in and looks confused* I think law-makers think they need to do something to justify their salary. There are stupid laws I agree Topsinapod. Banning elephants form a circus is probably a stupid law but with some good reasonings too. I think the BAD circus should be banned NOT the elephant. I give you an example of a few of our stupid lwas that have are or are being sent to the "round file". The one that is in the "round file" sorta needed to be sent there ( from my perspective as "not comfy with guns person"), the law was if you shot a perason who had broken in your house as long as he was in your house by the time the cops got there you weren't prosecuted. You were using justifiable force. You could have shot the dude in your front yard and dragged him back in to your house. The law now reads that you can only use the justifiable force if the person had a deadly weapon and you can prove he had intent to kill you. To me the first law was stupid because I hate guns. The next law that is being attacked is the three strikes you are out law. Ca has the most strictest law.. if you are caught even for a misdameanor and you have 2 felonies on your record you are sent to prison for life. They want to cahnge the 3 strikes you are out to "violent crimes". I kinda agree but what about the dude who gets out of jail for a violent crime (who shouldn't have gotten out in my opinion ) commits a non -violent felony? Does he get to keep commiting non-violent crimes until he commits a violent crime? Ok enough of me and my mind wondering. I'mm off to the WOW kitchen.

DACDjr · March 8th, 2003, 05:35 PM

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March 4th, 2003, 10:17 PM	#931
LiamFan! Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 2,048	That's what lawyers are for. The argument that seeing an elephant (or a giraffe or a penguin or....) in a zoo or a circus is a person's only opportunity to see that animal is a common one when defending the actions of zoos and circuses. How much does it enrich ones life to see an elephant? These animals are taken out of their environment and brought to a city to live in a pen, or to perform, to entertain humans. Why? I don't buy it. There are so many other ways to learn about the world around us....it doesn't have to be up close and personal, with an animal on display, prodded with a bullhook. Circuses have a bad reputation all around. The Shriners may have a less bad reputation because they don't own their own animals...they 'rent' them from other circuses, thus escaping federal regulation. There's a lot of things I've never seen in my life....my life is no less rich not having seen them. __________________ Love is never defeated, and I could add, the history of Ireland proves it. -- Pope John Paul II

March 5th, 2003, 12:15 PM	#933
LiamFan! Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 2,048	Except Cirque du Soleil, which very consciously uses only human performers. __________________ Love is never defeated, and I could add, the history of Ireland proves it. -- Pope John Paul II

March 5th, 2003, 08:26 PM	#935
LiamFan! Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 2,048	Freaky, but memorable! __________________ Love is never defeated, and I could add, the history of Ireland proves it. -- Pope John Paul II

March 6th, 2003, 03:55 PM	#941
Angel_Wolf Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: USA Posts: 333	Well I wanted to get in touch with all of the wonderful women aka Ladies butches and buddies. I miss ya'll and wanted to let you all know that I think you're pretty special to me! I hope I can chat with ya'll in the chat room sometime. Have a great day! __________________ ~~ May you walk in the Shadow of the Creator!~~

March 6th, 2003, 04:40 PM	#942
WillowWOW Whimisical WOW Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: PA Posts: 558	Hi is this where the Party is? Cause I can't wait til Friday! LOL I get to host for ShaggyWOW! So I hope to see all of you there! Party time at the Pizza Palace! Have a great day! __________________ May your path follow the Medicine Wheel

March 5th, 2003, 11:14 AM	#932
Cod Hooked on The OC! Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 1,252	Circuses kind of freak me, much like a Stephen King novel!

March 5th, 2003, 08:24 PM	#934
Cod Hooked on The OC! Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 1,252	Oh YEAH! Now that one mesmerizes! Not FREAKY! Well there was that one big dude with the shaved head....remember? Okay a little freaky, I guess. BUT NOT LIKE THE CROCODILE MAN!

March 5th, 2003, 08:28 PM	#936
Cod Hooked on The OC! Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 1,252	Lest I sound uncaring, animal cruelty is HIGH on my list of concerns, be it labs or circuses, or people who neglect their pets. Those types all should be TIED TO STAKES AND BEATEN WITH STICKS!

March 5th, 2003, 08:29 PM	#937
Cod Hooked on The OC! Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 1,252	Scribe, extremely memorable.

March 5th, 2003, 10:42 PM	#938
Melynn Queen Goddess Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 260	Has anyone been watching that mini-series program thing about Cirque du Soleil? I think it's on Bravo. The show about how they put together Cirque du Soleil is almost as interesting as the show itself. What an incredible group of performers. Talk about hard work.

March 6th, 2003, 12:02 AM	#939
Cod Hooked on The OC! Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 1,252	No I have not seen that program Melynn, but I'll look for it. Have you seen Cirque du Soleil in person?? Oh man....loved it.

March 6th, 2003, 02:12 AM	#940
Melynn Queen Goddess Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 260	I DID see it a couple of years ago. It was phenomenal. I loved it. I'm also ashamed to admit that they were just here for the past six weeks with their new show and I never got there. I'm such a slug sometimes.

March 8th, 2003, 07:22 AM	#943
topsinapod Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Maine Posts: 120	I hadn't heard of Cirque du Soleil before but I did find some information about it. It sounds like an awesome show. Also, I don't disagree that the argument I used about children not getting to see elephants otherwise is a tired one. That was the first thing that came to mind. When I brought up that potential law concerning elephants it made me think closer the things I have always believed but never researched. So I've been looking closer. As I've stated before, abuse of any animal is unacceptable. Apparently my eyes needed to be opened. Although I always knew there was some abuse, as there always seems to be with anything, I had no idea just how wide spread the problem was. Poachers and the continuation of some countries to harvest and sell ivory plus encroaching civilization are some of the biggest problems facing the elephant population besides abuse. As with many wild creatures, we are pushing them out. But we do have elephants here and that makes the problem bigger than just simply banning them from a single state. What do we do to keep them safe now? These elephants cannot simply be let go into the wild. That would mean sure death for ones that were captured as babies. They need to be cared for and habitats created that would be acceptable to them. I believe that some zoo's would/could be capable of doing that. Not all zoo's are bad and they do provide a service.

March 8th, 2003, 03:36 PM	#944
MintyFemme2 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: CA Posts: 571	pokes her head in and looks confused I think law-makers think they need to do something to justify their salary. There are stupid laws I agree Topsinapod. Banning elephants form a circus is probably a stupid law but with some good reasonings too. I think the BAD circus should be banned NOT the elephant. I give you an example of a few of our stupid lwas that have are or are being sent to the "round file". The one that is in the "round file" sorta needed to be sent there ( from my perspective as "not comfy with guns person"), the law was if you shot a perason who had broken in your house as long as he was in your house by the time the cops got there you weren't prosecuted. You were using justifiable force. You could have shot the dude in your front yard and dragged him back in to your house. The law now reads that you can only use the justifiable force if the person had a deadly weapon and you can prove he had intent to kill you. To me the first law was stupid because I hate guns. The next law that is being attacked is the three strikes you are out law. Ca has the most strictest law.. if you are caught even for a misdameanor and you have 2 felonies on your record you are sent to prison for life. They want to cahnge the 3 strikes you are out to "violent crimes". I kinda agree but what about the dude who gets out of jail for a violent crime (who shouldn't have gotten out in my opinion ) commits a non -violent felony? Does he get to keep commiting non-violent crimes until he commits a violent crime? Ok enough of me and my mind wondering. I'mm off to the WOW kitchen. __________________ " Life is what you make of it"

March 8th, 2003, 05:35 PM	#945
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